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Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.03.07 04:19:22 - [1] - Quote Currently, in the Amarr Empire, Mandate and the Kingdom, slaves are currently brought and sold in great numbers on the SCC Markets-the capsuleer markets. This cannot stand. The ownership of slaves is heavily restricted in the Empire. Frankly, there should be no sell orders from any of the Imperial agencies, like the Civic Court or the Amarr Civil Service, of slaves on the capsuleer market. I call on the appropriate agencies to remove their sell orders at once.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2015.03.07 19:16:16 - [2] - Quote Thank you, Samira, for your words in support. I don't think that I could have said it better myself. Rodj Blake wrote: The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them. Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves. For holders there are much better markets than the SCC market. However, this petition is only calling for a cessation of sell orders from Imperial, Khanid and Mandate agencies. The transport of slaves (on agent work, for example) would still be legal. The buy orders by the various agencies and powers should stay in place as well, as a way for capsuleers that acquire slaves (from death cans, wrecks or otherwise) to place them back in the Imperial system where they can be properly Reclaimed.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.03.07 20:36:05 - [3] - Quote It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2015.03.07 22:49:39 - [4] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Alizebeth Amalath wrote: It seems like the Sani Sabik and Sansha supporters have made my argument for me. Hey now. Be careful how broad of a brush you have your slaves paint me with. I spoke out on this thread on your side. I have no slaves. And if you spoke for the proposal, then you were helping my argument. Eran Mintor wrote: Though keep in mind a lot of slaves on the SCC market are not "Amarrian" slaves but ones captured by Angel Cartel and other slavers. My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:50:16 - [5] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Alizebeth Amalath wrote: My concern is the sell orders from Greater Amarrian agencies. I have no illusions about being able to control SCC markets in outlaw territories. Ban the sale of slaves to Empyreans in Amarr space and I shall travel to the vast slave markets of the Angel Cartel, buy 1,000,000 filthy Minmatar subhumans there, and sacrifice them all unto the glory of a holy and righteous God. Okay.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2015.03.08 02:35:27 - [6] - Quote Merdaneth wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them. Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves. My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter. No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances. Trying to change the SCC is a futile gesture that results in nothing but good feelings for having tried. Changing the policy of the Imperial and Khanid institutions that sell slaves on the SCC market is a much more attainable and specific goal. If you or Admiral Blake have a plan that is achievable, measurable and specific, I would love to hear it.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2015.03.08 17:26:28 - [7] - Quote I'm fairly certain that the Kingdom doesn't let heretics buy slaves by the million and execute them for the 'red god.'
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:24:54 - [8] - Quote Merdaneth wrote: Alizebeth Amalath wrote: Trying to change the SCC is a futile gesture that results in nothing but good feelings for having tried. Changing the policy of the Imperial and Khanid institutions that sell slaves on the SCC market is a much more attainable and specific goal. If you or Admiral Blake have a plan that is achievable, measurable and specific, I would love to hear it. If I wanted to change Imperial and Khanid institutions, I would do it in the form of a petition. Petitions reek of Gallente culture: a culture of self-entitlement. I could have started by filing suit in Theology Council courts against the Civic Court for violation of Canon Law. That seemed unduly hostile as a first step, though. You, Reverend, could actually come up with a plan that keeps those we have an obligation to out of the hands of lunatics and murders like I asked, instead of an automatic gainsaying. In this thread, there Blood Raiders admitting that they need to buy those slaves to experiment on, torture and murder. There is a Sansha supporter that admits to buying slaves to take to Stain, where they undoubtedly become mindless drones. There are Minmatar that buy slaves to smuggle them across the border. And you quibble and sneer about how a petition is the 'wrong way to do it.' It frankly makes me sick.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.03.08 23:31:37 - [9] - Quote Blue spy wrote: I was not aware that divine law factored into the day-to-day operations of the SCC. But while we are on the topic of Amarrian imperialism, what other steps can the cluster make to better accommodate to, and pander to the Amarr? This is not directed at the SCC. This is directed to the Civic Court, Khanid Transport and the Ammatar Consulate. These are three Imperial/Kingdom agencies operating in sovereign Imperial/Kingdom space. This is a purely internal affair and has no bearing on the wider SCC markets or operations.
Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.03.10 17:00:10 - [10] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Siddhar Gangari wrote: This petition is without claws. The Ammar will never restrict it's peoples' access to slaves; their frail civilization would slowly avalanche into total collapse. Try developing your reading comprehension. This petition is to cease the sale of slaves on the SCC. It has nothing to do with the Amarr at all - Concord would make the decision and the SCC would enforce it through the simple step.of delisting the commodities in question. No, Pieter, it's not that. It's to get Amarr authorities to make organizations like the Civic Court and Ammatar Consulate remove their standard sell orders from the SCC, and return to conducting their trade of slaves to local planetside markets only. Samira is correct. This is in relation to the Greater Amarrian organizations. I personally would not be upset if all slaves were removed from the SCC market, but that is not what this is about.

Alizebeth Amalath Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.03.10 18:27:46 - [11] - Quote Barsam Akhtar wrote: I shall add my signature to this noble cause. The relationship between Holder and Slave is a holy covenant with God: the slave offers their blood and toil to God's greater glory . . . Phrasing!
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 33	Posted - 2015.05.08 15:11:38 - [12] - Quote Every time I think that I should respond to something, I see that Samira has beaten me to it and said pretty much what I would have.
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 114	Posted - 2015.08.15 00:26:33 - [13] - Quote Scripture clearly states that only Holders may own slaves.
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 117	Posted - 2015.08.16 04:17:14 - [14] - Quote I truly hate that I cannot go on a religious retreat anymore without having to check and see what is happening back home. However, I will say that so far, Samira might as well be posting from my own talking points. Except the whip not chip slogan. That is not mine. Though, I do feel that all slaves should be treated in such a manner as to reclaim them for God so that one day they, or their descendants will serve God as free subjects of the Empire.
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 117	Posted - 2015.08.16 06:02:51 - [15] - Quote I am neither anti slavery nor anti authority. I believe that slaves should be owned and cared for by holders and duly appointed custodians and not random capsuleers who intend sacrifice them en mass as part of some Sani Sabik ritual.
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 117	Posted - 2015.08.16 06:36:18 - [16] - Quote The Leopardess wrote: I think this is an abolitionist movement, and I will not change my mind until I see something that makes sense to me. Then you need to read more closely. The SCC markets are only for capsuleers. Holders have other ways of buying slaves. I will use short sentences to make this clear. Capsuleers not holders can now buy slaves. Capsuleers can do what they want with slaves. Capsuleers take the slaves to the Republic. Capsuleers sacrifice the slaves to the Sani Sabik God. Capsuleers use slaves for their own sexual gratification. Capsuleers operate outside of God's Light. Capsuleers do not have Theology Council oversight. Slaves should be protected from capsuleers. Only Holders should own slaves. Holders that are capsuleers have other ways of buying slaves.
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 134	Posted - 2015.08.23 18:22:38 - [17] - Quote This is neither the time or the place. I have requested this thread closed. This issue remains important, but has been overshadowed by events.

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